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7775
2005
Trial Mountain Circuit
2
3258
761
1:22.866
06/01/2009 12:27 AM
06/07/2009 11:08 AM  
Muffler Racing Suspension Racing
Racing Chip Sports Transmission Full Customize
NA Tune Stage 3 Clutch Triple Plate
Front Tires S3 - Soft Flywheel Racing
Rear Tires S3 - Soft Carbon Driveshaft Equipped
Nitrous None GT Auto - Wing Equipped
Turbine Kit None Limited Slip Full Customize
Intercooler None AYC None
Supercharger None VCD None
Brakes Racing Weight Reduction Stage 3
Brake Controller Equipped Increase Rigidity Equipped
Setup Item Front Rear Setup Item Front Rear
Spring Rate 6.4 5.6 Stabilizers 1 1
Ride Height 110 112 Brake Balance 4 5
Shock Absorbers Downforce 23 30
Shock Bound 1 1 LSD Init. Torque 60
Shock Rebound 1 1 LSD Acceleration 60
Camber Angle 2.0 2.0 LSD Deceleration 45
Toe Angle -3 0 Nitrous
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th Final Auto Set
2.907 2.125 1.636 1.341 1.132 0.957 0.807 5.500 5
ASM
Oversteer
ASM
Understeer
TCS Ballast
Balance
Ballast
Weight
AYC VCD
1 1 1 -12 0
TMRC = Trial Mountain Reverse Competition hosted by ACKnowlty
http://gtvault.com/gt4/setup-view/s_sid::7733/M5-ACKnowlty/
Running Dates = 04.24.09 - 05.31.09
2nd Place Tune coming in at 1'22.866 ( +0'00.451 )

Color = Alpinweiss
Rims = Yokohama 015
Wing = 3D Type CW

You must have a new car; ( at 732.6 Miles it starts to lose HP, if the car has been driven extremely hard, EVEN with pristine maintenance ), keep fresh oil, the Rigidity Upgrade must be done before you ever drive the car, must be checked and maintained. Tune is heavily dependent upon maximum horsepower output. Weight transfer, road elevation, traction, braking position and acceleration all play a role in welding this tune/car appropriately to achieve the desired time. Basic race line theory melded with proper adjustments; taking into consideration the above mentioned elements, shaved seconds off of my time as I progressed through the course.

EDIT:
Track Checkpoint Times

T1:...:0'15.554
T2:...:0'42.197
T3:...:1'03.363
T4:...:1'22.866

EDIT2:
Transmission Trick used on this tune to an Auto set of 5, Then you will go back and change each individual gear to get the desired numbers as with most setups.

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Posted 06/01/2009 2:50 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Brette's info
Some of your Suspension Numbers seem a bit weird. The Stabilesers and Shocks are all 1.
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Posted 06/01/2009 3:05 AM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
I had a hunch you would rip the suspension out of your car MakusXO, but I didn't think it would yeild such a good time on that track! Well done on the second place, my tune is coming soon...
Brette, good job on the win, just so you know, running minimum bound and stabilizers is one of MakusXO's common tuning methods, I do not mean common in that everyone does it, it is just used my MakusXO every so often, and seldomly by others.
See you all,
StigsTC
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Updated 06/01/2009 3:52 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Brette's info
I still dont get how it works. Please Explain

EDIT: MakusXO if you combine your Technical Aspects and Master the Car Control to a fuller potential. Then once you do that probably one day you'll finally complete 34
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Posted 06/01/2009 4:05 AM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
OK, I can't explain how it works, but I think I can, MakusXO tell me where I go wrong.OK, with the high ride height and the low shock bounds and low spring rates the car soaks up all the bumps, keeoing contact with the road for longer. When the car gets air, the higher rebound has the wheels back on the road. It also allows for better braking efficiency with the weight transfer, and acceleration with the weight transfer to the back. The low stabilisers mean that there is better weight transfer to the outside wheels, better grip and more speed. This means MakusXO needs less camber to get the required turn in, leading to better braking efficiency, and again better turning. Because the M5 is rather heavy, and isn't that fast on sports tires, you can get away with a softer tune, rather than a hard - race car tune. Does that make sense?
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Updated 06/01/2009 5:23 AM Post a reply Quote this post View MarkusXO's info
Stigs ultimately explained it..Very smooth riding car. I relied on German engineering..and what I like to call a 'soft footprint'. I use a similar method with my rally tuned vehicles...You will also notice if you handle the car correctly that tire squeal and barking is quite minimal..Also a nice method to learn if you start running some of the old school greats.. when you can't seem to get the car to do what you want it to..

Imagine walking around on a slippery surface. Do you just put power down and walk with a stiff leg.. NO.. you step lightly, softly, and you allow your legs to absorb the force..Same basic idea used here. The average driver will probably be able to push out some 1'24's and maybe some 1'23's but your really have to pay attention to the method used in this car to pull off consistent 1'22 times...

If you throw on some stickies and take this car around the track with some Nitrous.. you will see that this method can be used in racing but may need some slight support to keep the suspension from sling shotting you completely out of control. Bottom line...DON"T THROW THE CAR AROUND...Use it like a brush...

Thanks, Stigs! Smirk

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Posted 06/01/2009 5:54 AM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
Oh!! That is what I am doing wrong!!!
I never treat my cars with respect, I wring the neck of it, and it delivers. That put me in the 1:23's consistantly, with no method, just aggression and speed. Using the car like a brush... If it is a tooth brush I use it the same way I drive in GT4, does that tell you anything about me??
Oh, I have to say, FANTASTIC image in your signature, it is beutiful. I have one issue with it...
THE RX-7 YOU USE IS THE SAME ONE I HAVE JUST BOUGHT FOR THE CHALLENGE, IN THE SAME COLOUR!!!! Just like the M5 I keep picking the same colour you do for a car, luckily we use different wings and rims. Annoyingly the RX-8 is also the same colour I would have used, but I am staying with the 7, I have looked at the number, the torque in the 7 massively outweighs the small weight advantage in the 8.
No problems with the vote, you beat me fair and square, shared some advice and made it a good challenge - despite losing to you by 0.077, I should have gone flat out on that last corner...
Also, when Brette posts a tune, I'll vote for that as well, its simple, beat me and get a vote, hopefully I won't have to after this challenge!!
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Updated 06/01/2009 3:38 PM Post a reply Quote this post View MarkusXO's info
Well the RX-7 I used for the photo shoot from the PS2, is not the RX-7 I am running in the challenge. That RX-7 is the car I used for my general road tune I posted previously..It has 639 HP and is fully modded minus the wing..I have another RX-7 for the competition because I couldn't use a Stage 3 Weight reduction...Not one of those parts you can just slip off and go on..It is one of three RX-7's that are specifically for the EC.

The RX-8 you see pictured is one of three RX-8's I have modded for competition. Never buy the Forest Green color for an RX-8. I still have sell and replace that car with a better color. I had one originally that I never bothered with, and the car looks horrid in that color..The pearl white on the '03 seemed to fit it best and bring out more of the cars desirable lines, rather than retract from it..

So there it is .. I have a fleet of six cars..Probably could be brought down to four.. You could imagine what it would look like in the pit area..

EDIT: That last corner at Trial Mountain can make or break a good run...and sometimes you are just barely gonna make it through..You always want to be at about 150 MPH or more by/at the Finish/Start line too...

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Updated 06/02/2009 7:58 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Brette's info
Oh i understand a bit. Thats what happened with my AE86. I got rid of the Racing Suspension with like spring rates of 6 or 7 at 4-5 Stabilizers. Now i am using a Semi-Racing suspension with less Spring Rate and Stabilisers and its much smoother at driving and i reckon better handing.

EDIT: Oh yeah imma try how your car handled this weekend too before i go out to fishing.
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Updated 06/04/2009 2:03 AM Post a reply Quote this post View MarkusXO's info
Cool, well I hope you like it..Hope to see your tune posted as well! Smirk

EDIT: Updated with Checkpoint times to assist in acquiring the correct lap time or better.

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Posted 06/04/2009 2:25 AM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
Nice first split, I knew I had to be doing 15.5's I wasn't happy with the 15.7's I kept getting.
I managed a 15.3 once, then I crashed or stuffed up somewhere...
What do you think about "Xanavi-GTR-08"s tunes?
Look totally possible don't they.
Why does this happen, you get one guy who posts like 10 impossible tunes then disapers?
Well, see you around,
StigsTC
"A correct lap time"? How about a "fast" one?
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Updated 06/04/2009 2:55 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Brette's info
I don't know my sector times ill check this weekend. Me, i really don't pay much attention to what time i got. I just aim to get greens and past that bloody invisible car and its driver (mysteriously it drives like me!) loL.
Oh yeah and at work today there's this guy whose like modded up nearly all his cars in GT4 in the smoko room. Just like you MakusXO, but he ain't that good of a tuner. I was alining the toe of a Ford today. I'm gettin better at tuning everyday and might be as good as youse.
I don't like those people who just post random tunes like X GT-R guy has. Ruins this whole place.
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Posted 06/04/2009 8:12 AM Post a reply Quote this post View MarkusXO's info
I totally what you two mean about this guy. The first few tunes he posted seem like, ' Welll. maybe.. ' Then you get to the transmission numbers..Then as they start to pile up they start to change to MAX EVERYTHING.. as low as it can go and the worlds strongest shocks and dampers..Which if you were trying to drift a car, maybe.. especially being that GT4, is not really a Formula Drift series...Now then we get to a few more numbers which run on out the same way, it all appears to be a little.. odd.

Now in his defense and remembering the process each one of us go through in wrapping our heads around our cars and the general idea-ology and theory of racing and in its various different forms.. Maybe this is a stepping stone?...See if he maintains his tunes now and evolves them as he goes, even as general road tunes...I would say more power to him. If it has to do with anything else... Thumbs Down

What aggravates me personally the most is when the numbers are ridiculously impossible to even have.. Like 1st:...:8.9999OooooOooOo...Or they don't even bother to fill in the whole tune..

I start screaming SPAM...I mean its not like the tunes are beach front property in the 80's scheme of things...But we love enthusiasm.. A Little Slow LOL..we welcome new people...

Oh and yeah, I did post that to achieve a minimum of 1'22.XXX. I have come across tunes in the past which made some wild claims and there really wasn't much help. Knowing your totally 'stuffing-up' ( LOL) on your approach, and setup ( referring to vehicle technique ) within a certain segment.. Gets rid of the crying drunk term..' Well I duuunnnoooooo.. ' usually accompanied by a a shattered DS2...and/or a statement that its BS.. It kind of gives you a benchmark, which is good for someone who uses it to improve what they are doing.

I usually don't but when I running time based trials, and running lap after lap..I tend to start watching to make sure I don't start to 'fall asleep' in that section, so that I can monitor what I am doing, that plus mileage on the car. You can cut the lap short instead of running it for no reason.. For the most part though I watch everything...

As good as me.. come on.. Roll Eyes Sarcastically Give yourself more cred than that...The main thing there I think is that we never stop learning new things, and trying different approaches based on what we wind up experiencing... Ya know.. I mean you think you get it all figured out and someone produces something completely different, based on a whole other idea, and here we are..Willingness to do that and the ability to achieve it...is what in my opinion makes winners..

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Posted 06/04/2009 9:15 AM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
I have nothing against new tuners, we all had to be at some point, I mean, I havn't even been here 6 months yet!!
Bit it becomes clear that the numbers are wrong, when you look at the downforce numbers on most of the setups, then look for repeating themes, eg camber 12.0/12.0
Another give-away is teh break balence figures, 24/24, would it ever stop?
The lap time 0'01.001 for Motegi super speedway - economy tires, etc.
I mean, there is no benefit in posting random impossible tunes, it just bugs people and wastes time and space, however, if people are still learning to tune and don't make a habit of posting fake tunes it is possible to see how errors, or tuning method are mis-used. I am Okay with making a few mistakes and for people to learn, just not 10 of the same thing.
By the way, nice synopsis of what it takes to be a winner...
See you around,
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Posted 06/05/2009 10:06 AM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
Sorry, the voting system has it so that you can only vote for the same car/track combination once, I thought that that had been changed but it hasn't.
So, seeing as Brette won the challenge, he gets the vote, and for you to vote for Brette's tune you'll have to retract the mote from mine.
I do however have a solution.
If I change the listed track away from trial mountain, to something else - eg tahiti maze, it will allow us to keep both votes.
Its up to you, if want to keep the vote, change the track listed.
Hopefully, this way recognition is still given to all the tuners,
StigsTC
(I will change mine, so don't use what I pick)
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Posted 06/05/2009 8:14 PM Post a reply Quote this post View MarkusXO's info
You should change your track back..

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Posted 06/05/2009 8:44 PM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
Changed it back, I guess it made no sense to have 'motorland' as the track.
Hmm, how do you get around the 'existing vote' issue, I guess we just have to live with it...
Well, thank you anyway for the original vote, and thanks for the help with the signature.
See you around,
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Posted 06/07/2009 7:12 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Brette's info
MakusXO,

Your Gear Ratio's are impossible. I was trying to put them in just then and from gears 1 to 7 you cannot put the numbers in indivdually with that auto 5 on. Can you help with me with this?
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Updated 06/07/2009 8:19 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Brette's info
Hi MakusXO,

Well since i don't know your real ratio's i ran with a Auto 9 to reach full speed on the straight.
The way you setup your car is much differnt to mine. Like completely opposite (mines like CRAZY! But tame enough. Honestly, i feel that it was way too restrained. It couldn't even smoke the wheels from simply reving it. I had to like lock the rear up while full locking the wheel to get it to smoke, and even then it dun do much cause the LSD always kicked in loL.
I guess you used that much LSD to simply stop the spin from 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear right and to add extra stability. With all that power restrained your car seemed so much more controllable (European car like. You know what i mean) that it was too stable yeah?
You know that Audi super sport wagon with the lambo engine? Thats what this reminded me of...
That Audi had heaps of power, yet when you would launch off in it no spin would come. Thats just the case with this M5.
Now i'm trying out Adrians tune.
If anyone needs a BMW that they would like to race in the game, just simply push it as hard as you want and you'll win everytime probably with just some minor suspension changes i reckon. You'll hardly crash at all. Thumbs Up

Regards,
Brette
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Updated 06/07/2009 7:47 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Speedfreak09's info
I totally know what you mean about him, makus XO...he posts these totally bogus setups with EVERYTHING maxed-out...AND THEN expects them to work and for people to actually TRY THEM ! Disgusted

But if it works for him then more power to em', he must've posted it for some reason! Big Grin

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Updated 06/07/2009 11:19 AM Post a reply Quote this post View MarkusXO's info
Its tranny tricked...Slide Final to 5.500, then auto set to 25, hit x, then to 1, and hit x again.
Next you slide it to 5, then you go up and set each gear as entered.

If your not using the actual numbers.. your driving another tune..
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