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7023
2002
Nürburgring Nordschleife
3
3778
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6:38.269
03/04/2008 6:04 PM
03/06/2008 5:03 PM  
Muffler Racing Suspension Racing
Racing Chip Sports Transmission Full Customize
NA Tune None Clutch Triple Plate
Front Tires R2 - Hard Flywheel Racing
Rear Tires R2 - Hard Carbon Driveshaft None
Nitrous None GT Auto - Wing Equipped
Turbine Kit Stage 3 Limited Slip Full Customize
Intercooler Racing AYC None
Supercharger None VCD None
Brakes Racing Weight Reduction Stage 2
Brake Controller Equipped Increase Rigidity None
Setup Item Front Rear Setup Item Front Rear
Spring Rate 8.0 10.0 Stabilizers 3 2
Ride Height 119 119 Brake Balance 6 4
Shock Absorbers Downforce 20 30
Shock Bound 4 4 LSD Init. Torque 6
Shock Rebound 7 8 LSD Acceleration 15
Camber Angle 1.9 1.3 LSD Deceleration 15
Toe Angle -1 0 Nitrous
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th Final Auto Set
2.650 1.510 1.100 0.840 0.660 3.889 17
ASM
Oversteer
ASM
Understeer
TCS Ballast
Balance
Ballast
Weight
AYC VCD
0 0 0 -15 166
This is a revision of my last Esprit V8 set-up using a different design philosophy to alter the weight balance.

It's not perfect still and after over 500 miles of testing in this car alone, I'm a bit fatigued of the 'Ring :lol:.

You have to[i] drive[/i] her rather than simply sit with your foot to the floor (at certain places) but she's responsive enough and resists the tendency to snap-oversteer I've found with Esprits on R tyres at these HP levels (this doesn't mean she's 'immune' tho' so have a care).

EDIT: Reduced Front Brake Balance a touch. Still at a loss as to how to stop the bad 'hop' and 'bump steer' the car exhibits at certain places on the circuit. I'll keep experimenting ...

Second EDIT: The 'cure' came from an unlikely change - I increased the Front Rebound to 7 (from 5). No more 'trampolining' after Fliugplatz, bump-steer much more controlled at Fuchsrohre and braking into Tiergarten stable again. I'd gone with the soft dampers to try and combat the 'darty' handling from the too responsive steering and should've realised I could go stiffer again once I'd put other suspension measures into place.

Flaws still remain. Going flat-out through Pflanzgarten/Schwalbenschwanz is a recipe for a crash unless you''re quick with counter-steering movements.

I'm wondering if an increase in Rear Rebound would help or a decrease in Rear Bound? Clicked it up to 8 (from 6) and tested her. I feared that the stiffer shocks would cause problems with the bumps but apart from some battering jolts that would be unpleasant in the real world she handles much better with the higher Rebound ironing out body movements. Rear tyre wear seems a little worse but that could be my imagination. As I also lowered the Ride Height to 119/119 that might have a role to play there too.

As a fnal test I deliberately messed up the entry to Pflantzgarten and was able to recover her rather than have an unavoidbale crash :tup:. I'll accept a harsh ride for predictable cornering :D.

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Posted 03/08/2008 8:28 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Sukerkin's info
One note worth adding,altho' it's probably obvious, is that this set-up is designed specifically to give stability of handling at the Nurburgring.

Other fast tracks, like Twin Ring Motegi Road or Tokyo R246 might be okay with it too but the understeer and low gear turbo lag would be a nightmare at a circuit like Hong Kong Eek.

I'll work on some alternate settings for her when I get the chance but the alterations should be easy enough e.g. tighter gearbox, stiffer Bound, stiffer rear Stabaliser, higher front Downforce and less LSD Decel would be good places to start.
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Posted 03/09/2008 7:23 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Sukerkin's info
The setup changes to use this hardware at Hong Kong are:

Brake Balance: 5/8
Springs: 6.3/9.5
Ride Height: 114/114
Damper Bound: 4/5
Damper Rebound: 9/8
Toe: 0/0
Stabaliser: 2/3
Gears: 3.889 @ AutoSet 11 (tweak individuals to personal taste for where the changes are)

TCS = 1 (not a shameful thing on cold tyres coming out of slow corners with 600 odd HP Big Grin)

Downforce 20/20

LSD: 6/24/12

Weight Balance: 166kg @ -5

That's a lot of changes I know and I considered posting up a seperate set-up but I already have umpteen Esprit set-ups on the board and was embarassed to add another with exactly the same hardware.
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Updated 03/09/2008 8:39 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Sukerkin's info
For Trial Mountain, alter the Hong Kong settings to:

Brake balance: 4/5

Springs: 8.0/10.5
Damper Bound: 4/4
Toe: -1/+1 (for more 'input' tolerant handling - otherwise 0/0)

Downforce: 20/25

LSD: 6/20/15

Weight Balance: 166kg @ -20
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Updated 03/15/2008 9:37 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Sukerkin's info
For Tokyo R246:

Brakes: 5/4
Springs: 7.3/12.3
Ride: 114/114
Damper B: 4/6
Damper R: 9/8
Camber: 2.6/1.3
Toe: +1/-1
Stabaliser: 3/4

Gearbox: AutoSet 13 @ 3.889

Downforce: 20/23

LSD: 6/15/15 (some drivers may find that 5/10/15 gives a more predicitable feel)

Weight Balance: 166 @ -20

I never got her so that you could barrel flat through the fast, dropping left hander prior to the Box Curves. I tried and tried and it always required a dab of the brakes giving an 'alongside the wall' speed of about 140 - 145mph. Any faster than that and I bounced off the wall.
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Posted 01/21/2009 10:53 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Brette's info
I'm going to try it this weekend and see how the esprit handles. It looks like you've done alot on this.
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Updated 01/21/2009 9:30 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Sukerkin's info
I hope you enjoy her Brette. Feel free to post any comments in here and if they're issues you can't 'drive' around I'll see what I can do to address them.
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Updated 03/01/2009 1:02 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Brette's info
I can't say in words how to descibe her really. Like this car is very scary all the time but in a sense tame. The whole course had me having to stop the arge of using the full throttle the whole time and even if i did it was only for just a few seconds than wham! on the brakes to make sure it wouldnt crash. I really like her alot im putting it on my Favourites list. I really like how she sounds, drives, looks and smells? Well i dont know about the smell but i reckon this is a true feel of what a car is like Thumbs Up There should be more people voting for this 1 not just me. I'd like to be a Automotive Engineer like you or be a mechanic cause i like cars so much
Im a he loL. Big Grin
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Posted 03/01/2009 7:14 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Sukerkin's info
I'm pleased you enjoyed her, Brette.

She is an exciting drive around the 'Ring, fast but retaining that essential MR-ness that demands you pay attention or she'll try and kill you Big Grin.
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Updated 03/07/2009 2:20 AM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
This car is so amazingly frustrating and brilliant. A Little Slow
I put down a first lap of 7:00 then went round again. I made 6 seconds in the first two sectors then proceeded to lose 1 second a sector to finish 0:00:216. The next lap I did the opposite, I stayed close the first two sectors, then built a seven second lead and then did 3 complete spins at 150mph, lost all my lead and in the last two sectors made 3 seconds to go to 6:57.019. Mad
The best analogy for this car is:
Car: "I'm your best friend, trust me."
Me: "Alright, I will trust you to do what I ask."
Car: "NOW YOU DIE!!" *Stab* *slice* Eek
The moment you trust the car to act like it has the last kilometre or it did the last time and it just stabs you, while when you hold back a little, lleaving nothing to the car; it is perfect, composed and lovely to drive. I guess the car was faster than me.
I love this car, yet I hate it, but it is just so good! If only I could drive it...
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Posted 03/07/2009 8:12 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Sukerkin's info
Big Grin Thanks for those comments, Stigs Thumbs Up

Like any lady worth her salt, the Esprit certainly does demand that you pay her the compliment of all your attention ... or she will get a bit catty Wink .

Somewhere like the 'Ring, the trick to consistent lapping in this car is to learn where the 'danger' points are. You'll find that these are fairly consistent for any car in the game where PD's modelling of the handling is a touch 'brittle'.

Schwedenkreuz, Fuchsrohre, the descent into Miss-Hit-Miss, Angst Kurve, Pflanzgarten II and the Tiergarten Hohenrain Schikane are all accident 'black spots'. At these points it is best to back off the pace a touch and be ready to balance the car with throttle, brake and steering modulations. If you've ever driven an MR in real life that'll make learning to cope easier but a bit of in-game practise will soon have the car staying with the tyres on the black stuff.

By the way, if the corner names at the 'Ring are not known to you, take a trip over to http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/satellite_pic.html and get the track map.
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Posted 03/07/2009 8:22 AM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
Thank you Sukerkin,
I had no idea of any of the corners (except miss-hit-miss).
I have been told of great 200 A-spec point setups you have devised, which ones are they, and where can I view them? It has taken me a while to get around to asking you after Dotini2001's suggestion. Thank you for your tips for "the 'ring".
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Posted 03/07/2009 8:44 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Sukerkin's info
My pleasure, Stigs.

Most of the set-ups I post are targeted to be 200 A-Spec or as close as I can make them for one series or another - I love the challenge of getting the most I can out of a car within the limits imposed by trying for maximum points too. Those that aren't A-Spec oriented are technical feasability studies e.g. my high HP Esprit 350 {http://www.gtvault.com/gt4/setup-view/s_sid::6997/Lotus-Esprit-Sport-350/}

If you do a search on set-ups by me here at GTVault, you'll find that most of them are actually Esprit's which are the product of a request that Dotini made of me back in 2007 to try to get the Esprit to handle and be competative Embarrassment.

I have a number of builds over at GTPlanet here:

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=103928

(apologies to Kerr for the cheek of linking to another GT site)

I keep meaning to enter those setups into the system here - I shall try to do it soon (after I've finished the Nurburgring TVR Speed 12 build that I'm making on request for a chap over at GTP).
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Posted 03/07/2009 8:53 AM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
Wow Thanks, speaking of Dotini, who happens to be online now? Small world...
Thank you for the help, I have to try them, but later (I should really be asleep), I guess I'll report back to you here, until the time that you transfer your setups to GT Vault.
Thank you again Sukerkin,
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I think GT Planet is already linked so it may not matter, but I have not been here that long so I shan't put my foot in anything.
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Posted 03/07/2009 8:59 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Sukerkin's info
Thumbs Up

Enjoy your sleep - we must be in really different time zones as it's early afternnon here in Engalnd LOL
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Posted 03/07/2009 9:01 AM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
Yep, The east coast of Australia is used to this sleep pattern though, staying up late to liten to the cricket, thrashing England in the Ashes is worth the effort Big Grin
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Posted 03/07/2009 2:00 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Sukerkin's info
LOL Oooh! Dangerous words, young sir Big Grin.

Speaking of words, note my atrocious spelling in my last post :o. I was on my way out the door and typed in far too much haste it seems {blush}
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Posted 03/09/2009 11:18 AM Post a reply Quote this post View DjWess's info
Finally found you

djwess here and i must say itsn a honor meeting you

but wondering can you check my set-ups like stigs, donti, and BTWhite did?
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Posted 03/09/2009 2:27 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Sukerkin's info
Hi DJ

Thank you indeed for such a gracious greeting.

I'd be delighted to have a gander at your work; it's always interesting to see how others approach ironing out a cars 'problems' and enhancing it's handling.

It might take me a while tho'. Life is not being kind to me and mine at present and my GT hours are severly limited. I have some updating to do with the front-of-house over at ETZ and a couple of 'special requests' builds to prepare but once that's done I'll make the time to have a look.
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Posted 03/10/2009 7:08 AM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
Too much? Or should I say, not enough?
Anyway, I knew that people held you in high regard, with an unspoken awe or revere about your person, (a lot like the posts from members on Fumes' setups), but I had no idea why, until now. You have singlehandedly booked out my weekend and a sizeable chunck of my school break at Easter, I have a hunch my A-spec tally and general tuning knowledge shall gain a sizeable boost in the coming months.
I re-checked all the corner locations you mentioned, I found that all of them were problems for me and I already had the noted in my driving to 'back off', they weren't the places I had issues with, I am fairly sure most of my errors were driver related.
Thank you again for your help and knowledge,
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Posted 03/10/2009 6:41 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Sukerkin's info
I am flattered in the extreme, gentlemen. My thanks again for your high regard Embarrassment.

It is good to bear in mind tho' that suspension tuning might be a 'black art' but enough study and track time (especially the latter) can help anyone get the results they want.

I admit that it took me ten years of playing the game, combined with my engineering background, combined with lots of advice from those who put theory into practise on the track, to get to the point we're at today. But it's not an impossible challenge to beat.

Plus, it might just be me but this stuff, the nuts and bolts physics and maths of it all, with a wet finger in the air to test the wind, is fascinating in it's own right Big Grin. The pay-off is when people offer to let you set up their race cars out in the real 3D world - that is a real thrill (not as much as if they let you race their cars for them but you can't have everything LOL ).
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