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Updated 02/04/2003 10:17 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
It's amazing how this site continues to be popular even as GT3's lifecycle as a game is getting inevitably closer to the end. GTVault still averages 150k-200k hits a month. While the stream of setups has tapered off slowly, there are now enough setups for you drifters, 1000m dragsters, and everything in between to keep everyone busy. Kudos to all the top tuners, especially the ones who take time to fine tune every aspect of their vehicle for everyone else's benefit.

On a personal level, I must say I haven't played GT3 consistently since last July. In programming GTVault during the 4th quarter of 2001, I spent a ton of time testing limits in the game to the point that every time I turned my PS2 on it seemed almost clinical rather than fun. For whatever reason, I've never regained my desire to pursue GT3 any further. It is mostly due to the fact that I am an avid PC gamer and will continue to do the majority of my gaming on a PC for the forseeable future. IMO, PC gaming is the most enveloping experience you can come across from both the technological and depth of play standpoints.

Some of you may disagree, but this is coming from a guy that grew up playing the old PONG machines, Atari 2600 / 5200 / 7800, ColecoVision, Intellivision, Odyssey (can you believe that thing ran on BATTERIES?) and everything in between. I also gamed on just about every computer system available from the late 70's on, like the TI 99/4A, Commodore VIC20 / 64 / Amiga, Atari 400 / 800 / 1200XL / 520ST / 1040ST (anyone remember Silent Service?), Apple II, and of course x86 based PCs. Hell, I remember I used to get this Atari programmer magazine in the mail that had a bunch of game code in the back sometimes.... in Assembly Language! I'd sit there for hours punching in code and, damnit if you got one bit wrong the whole thing would bomb on you. Now you can just download the latest PC / Xbox / PS2 game, and with minimal effort, pirate all day long. Where's the fun in that? I see punching in a copious amount of gibberish for a week only to play a Breakout clone as a much more rewarding experience!

But back to my original point. PC gaming has and will always be the frontrunner to consoles in terms of technology and immersive gameplay. I can replace my AGP card in my PC to keep the graphics platform up to date, whereas consoles have never taken this much of a modular approach. In fact, almost every major console add-on that I can remember bombed in the worst way. Anyone remember that shitty little robot or running pad that came with the old NES? How about Sega CD? N64DD? Some of them were borne of really great ideas, but the market remains primarily the same. Once console gamers blow their wad on the console itself, it's games (and maybe some controllers and memory cards) from there on out. The PS2 runs on a 300Mhz chip! It's only two years old and already I can buy a computer that is literally 10x the raw clock speed. Granted, the graphics and memory pipelines in the PS2 are tuned specifically for gaming, but so is my PC.

It is because of this lack of modularity and the continued failed attempts to get the console market to adopt this philosophy that you see the disparity between PC and console games today. Sure you can play some of the newer games in progressive HD mode, but you still can't touch 1600x1200 @ 100Hz refresh rate. While technology in consoles may always be a step behind, console adoption by PC gamers is about to take a big upswing with integrated broadband access.

XBox gamers are discovering how much fun it is to play online with a high speed connection - something PC gamers have enjoyed for almost four years now. Sony has their little Ethernet add-in, so it's only going to blow up from there. This new connectivity brings with it many benefits as well as some possible el crapo side effects. PC gamers, while they might enjoy the best technology, have to put up with games released before they were thoroughly play tested. Buggy games and constant patches are a way of life for PC gamers. Historically, console gamers have never had an outlet with which to obtain downloaded patches. Trust me, this factor has saved console gamers from a good deal of the "Let's shove this piece of crap out the door yesterday!" approach to game development. If a buggy console game came out, you just put it down and played another. Sorry folks, those days are numbered, thanks to M$ and their ingenious Xbox with integrated hard drive!

But, the positive effects of online broadband only play are enormous! Think about playing a game much more advanced than GT3... only it's entirely online! The PS2 has limited networking capabilities if you want to fork out the $$$ for Firewire cables and a hub. I've played this way a number of times, and if I could play this way all the time, I'd be playing GT3 right now instead of SimCity 4 or UT2003. Who knows, maybe Sony will code in a way to trade cars/setups for the new installment of GT. I guess that would render a site like GTVault somewhat useless, eh? While the console industry will probably never see as much modularity as the PC industry, the face of gaming is changing forever -- all thanks to us dedicated PC gamers!

I know I got long winded with this, but if you made it this far without having to take a piss or wanting to beat me senseless then I'd like to know what you think about the PC vs. Console gaming cultures. Kerr
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Posted 02/04/2003 5:20 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Teken's info
Same with me. I'm more of a PC gamer myself, and my ps2 is currently collecting dust while i spend hours upon hours on different online games. I am glad that atleast the console designers are beginning to incoprorate mass multiplayer situations, so you can play with people across the world, much like a PC gamer can. When Auto Modelista comes out, i'll probably get into my ps2 again, get an adaptor and start playing, but right now i have no will to really play any of my games, not even GT3 after seeing some awesome drift videos from gtplanet.net.

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Posted 02/04/2003 10:19 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
I haven't even been reading about console gaming news, so Auto Modelista is new to me. I did some reading, and it appears to me the game is an arcade racer geared to the Riceboy / Cartoon Network market segment Smile. The body kit / decal / rims thing reminds me of the Tokyo Extreme Racer series - games I just couldn't get into. The cel shading reminds me of the Jet Grind / Jet Set skater games - again some games I just didn't enjoy playing. But, as it's a racing game I'm sure I'll give it a try.

Out of curiosity, what have you been playing? I just started playing SimCity 4, and if you like the previous games this one is fun but much more complex.
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Posted 02/04/2003 3:46 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Teken's info
Currently, i mostly play RPGs. A little Diablo 2, but i've become less interested due to their server conditions and the rampage of hacks/bots. I play another game called The Realm Online, which is a more primitave RPG, graphics wise, but is still a great game. Other than that, i'm on Yahoo Games alot, and some other misc games. But currently, The Realm Online is the game i play most.
I used to play SimCity alot, but it was never a game that kept my intrest for long, and it would end up just getting pushed out of the lineup that i would play.

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Posted 02/04/2003 4:42 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
I've been playing RPGs as of late too. If you're into single player RPGs, you MUST get Divine Divinity. It isn't terribly popular, but if you like the play style of Diablo then you'll love it. The best thing about Divine Divinity is that you can choose any style character (Mage, Thief or Warrior to start) but you have access to all the skills from every character type. So you can see the possibilities there. The graphics are also good for the 3/4 down view genre, especially considering development of the game started in '98.

I suspect I'll tire of SimCity 4 pretty quickly, because the more I read about it the more it appears only the hardcore micromanagers who have 12+ hours a day to play will have any success with it. Not my style.

I think I'm in the mood for an FPS, just not sure what yet.
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Posted 02/04/2003 7:33 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Teken's info
Yeah. i don't mind the occasional FPS. i used to play UT alot, but when i tried UT2k3, it wouldent run smoothly on my comp, so i dont have any FPS's that i play currently.

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Posted 02/05/2003 9:54 AM Post a reply Quote this post View greekhornet's info
Hey, Gaming , Pc is my thing, Rpg, Fps, and Rts mainly, Sof, D2, Baldurs Gate1, Baldurs Gate2, Sc, Wc3, Red Alert, Battle For Dune My Ps2 has recently seen action on the older titles of Ps career Monster Rancher 2,

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This type of site should always be around...
Posted 02/05/2003 6:06 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Zelf24's info
Kerr, you're talking about the lifecycle of this site coming to a close inevitably, but I can only hope you'll still be up for us when GT4 comes out. I remember a site a few years ago that had the same premise you have, but it was for GT1. It was that site going off the web one day forever that caused me to find your site, although this time, I had GT2 and GT3 to fiddle around with as well. Another thing that could prolong the life cycle, although you probably already thought of this, would be to create a vintage GT1/2 Setup section. Like I said, I found this site and stuck with it because of the convenience and ease of use that reminded me of that old Setup site, and the fact that Tuner's Vault was just as packed with user interaction and submission of setups. I can only hope that this site will always be around, in some form or other. And if not, I hope others will step up to the plate and offer this same type of info, because it has proved invaluable to me over the years. Believe it or not, it was this site that showed me for the first time the "wheelie tricks", which I had never heard tell of on other GT sites.
Those glitch setups alone got me hooked, and the real setups were what got me to stay.
Keep up the good work all, and long live the GT Setup Site!

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Posted 02/05/2003 10:00 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
Zelf24,

I didn't mean to sound like I would close the site altogether if demand fades. I plan to keep the site up as long as anyone out there needs the information. And we'll have to see about how integrated GT4 is going to be in the networking department. If Sony comes up with a way to transfer saves using the PS2 and the broadband adapter, doing additional work on the site to accommodate GT4 may be a waste of time.

My guess is they have their heads up their a$$es on this one though.
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Posted 02/06/2003 5:07 AM Post a reply Quote this post View FLYBUYF1's info
like Ive said previously, I cant get broad band where I am. maybe a few years. maybe.
So I have never really got into online play. even through the Q3 and UT phazre of gaming. when online gaming went ballistic, I was like, hell no. give me a single player game anyday.
dont get me wrong. I have tried it. but I never got hooked. maybe due to my 56K dial up connection.

anyways, one thing consoles have over PC's is that they dont fuk up on a regualar basis and they cant get virus's that screw you over. possibly will change with online play. but I doubt it.


FAV games of the past 12 months:
PS2: GT3, WRC, THPS3, Burnout, Jak and Daxter, THPS4. THPS4 is THE BEST action sport game EVER.

PC: GP4, RCT2, SOF2, The Sims and expansions, Age of Mythology, and thats about it. all top games.

PC's will allways have the leading technology, but consoles are simply PLUG AND PLAY. much more simple and you dont have to know shit to be goo at them or know anything special to make them run well.

thats my $0.02 Big Grin

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Posted 02/06/2003 8:20 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
I used to try to play Q2 on a dialup connection before I got DSL and it was terrible. The low ping times broadband users enjoy are almost required for enjoyable online play. I agree, consoles will (hopefully) always be safer from viruses than PCs. SOF2 - I just finished that a couple weeks ago. That was one of the harder mission based FPS games I've played. It seemed like your enemies could spot you with eagle eye vision, even if you attempted to sneak. I haven't played THPS3 or 4, but I played THPS2 on the Dreamcast all the time and it was an awesome game. If you enjoy rally racing, Rallisport Challenge for the PC is a great game.
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Posted 02/06/2003 3:34 PM Post a reply Quote this post View 69Z28SS's info
PC Gaming is still my favorite. I'm predominately a Sports Sim player, with Baseball being #1. High Heat by 3DO has been the Best, and for the last year ONLY baseball game on the PC.

The problem wont be with the platform, but with the developer. In an article that was published some months back in PC Gamer, they looked at the state of PC Gaming. One Company was Sega, specifically their Sports segment. (Got my attention). The director of product development stated that Sega has no plans to develop for the PC. Many other companies are beginning to curtail PC Game development, as the Console market is much more profitable. Various things contribute to this, piracy being only a portion.

Online gaming was one of the last best hopes for PC gaming, but now that the consoles can do it, I look for the PC side to dry up even more. I've spent many hours playing Return to Castle Wolfenstien online on the PC, and it was great fun, playing against human opponents. Now the Consoles can do it, look out.

Kerr, sounds like you and I have some of the same history, only instead of the Atari 1040's, I was in the Apple II world. I also spent hours typeing in lines of code to play something the magazine published. That's what got me interested in programming for a living.

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Posted 02/06/2003 7:42 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
That hand coding of games is what spurned my interest in programming as well. 69Z28SS, you're a programmer to, eh? What language(s) do you code in? I'm almost exclusively in web related technologies, ColdFusion, PHP, Perl, SQL. I can see most types of games making a transition from PC to console, assuming good broadband penetration. That is, except for games like RCTW and the entire FPS genre. These folks, me included, are all about speed and accuracy - something that console controllers seriously lack in comparison to a good optical mouse / keyboard combo. But that's not to say a console manufactuer can't come out with something like that soon. USB ports are already popping up on consoles...
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Posted 02/06/2003 8:46 PM Post a reply Quote this post View 69Z28SS's info
I work mainly in C++, and have been programming in the tele-communications arena for the last 12 yrs. The consoles RPG and FPS games have improved, I played MOHAA on the PS2 and it was almost as good as on the PC, ALMOST. You are right a few more improvements to the controller's and the Consoles are in charge. That will be a sad day for PC gamers.

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Posted 02/07/2003 5:48 AM Post a reply Quote this post View FLYBUYF1's info
wow. what a coincedince! Im learning programming at school! so far I have made a prgram that can count from one number to another!!!!! lol. Stick Out Tongue ohwell. have to start somewhere. Big Grin

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Posted 02/07/2003 8:03 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
69Z28SS, I work in the telecom industry as well. Small world I guess. I work for SBC creating intranet websites, mostly finance related so people can see their expenses, etc. Most of my peers support large enterprise apps written in C++, COBOL, PL2 among others. I try to stay with the web related programming because the management there goes hogwild when they see interactive data on websites. But, we're talking about a bunch of 50-60 year olds that were raised on terminal based mainframe access.

Anyway, I agree that it will be a sad day for PC gamers when the consoles become king. In a way, they already are with the younger crowd. Most of the 18 and under kids are going to consoles, sort of like it was in the late 80's with NES / Sega. We may see a shift to almost exclusively adult oriented (not porno Smile ) games just to keep the PC gaming industry alive.

FLYBUYF1 - have you done any 'Hello world!' programs yet? After a few programming languages, you'll learn to hate those two words. What are you studying?
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Speaking of programing
Posted 02/07/2003 9:46 AM Post a reply Quote this post View greekhornet's info
Im going into programming next year in school, and advanced the semester after that, when i complete somthing maybe ill send u it to try out lol but my teacher is ******** at me now so i gota fly peace

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Which lancer is best?
Posted 02/12/2003 4:06 PM Post a reply Quote this post View therat1989's info
Hey guys I've been tuning Lancers lately trying to see which ones best.
I've tuned these so far:
Lancer Evo. IV GSR
Lancer Evo. V GSR
Lancer Evo. VI t.m.e ( still working on it )
and Lancer Evo. VI RS
I will tune up and try the Evo. VII GSR and RS before this weekend if I can.
Please tell me which Lancer you find the best!
c ya therat1989

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Posted 02/12/2003 5:38 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Teken's info
I prefer any of the lancers. They all are fairly equal IMO so i just pick one that i like the look of lol.

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tommi mak for me
Updated 02/13/2003 9:42 AM Post a reply Quote this post View greekhornet's info
i prefur the tommy makiden edition myself. tune it for me Yah?, i need a good one, For midfield if possable thankz. rat

PS: the one with the line

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Midfield
Posted 02/13/2003 5:47 PM Post a reply Quote this post View therat1989's info
Midfiel!!!! Of course thats my favorite cource 51.564 lap time
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