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Posted 10/26/2011 4:02 PM Post a reply Quote this post View polo23489's info
what is UI ? i know AI.
im regaing my stuff on gt5 cuz my ps3 YLOD was lvl 15, I think im 1 of few kids who plays GT who has 2 disorders 1 is ADHD , and other to long to spell yet im still a good racer but a bad speller Big Grin lvl 20 now and proud of it. .

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Posted 10/26/2011 4:43 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Draghon's info
who said UI? I dont see it anywhere...
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Posted 10/26/2011 5:11 PM Post a reply Quote this post View polo23489's info
Draghon wrote:
who said UI? I dont see it anywhere...
on the main post about whats in the new 2.0 update a few days gos no 1 post there anymore so i asked here
im regaing my stuff on gt5 cuz my ps3 YLOD was lvl 15, I think im 1 of few kids who plays GT who has 2 disorders 1 is ADHD , and other to long to spell yet im still a good racer but a bad speller Big Grin lvl 20 now and proud of it. .

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Posted 10/26/2011 10:05 PM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
UI stands for "User Interface", which is what the user/player has to interact with or work with, to navigate menus and loading screens and all that stuff.
What they mean by " improved UI response" is that loading times have been reduced. However I'm not sure about "improved useability" as I've not noticed any changes. Although I may have missed it.
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Posted 10/27/2011 4:47 PM Post a reply Quote this post View polo23489's info
ty for clearing that up, any newb-spec stuff i like to old gt4 bspec meaning a quick change from car to car and ◊3 speed and 1 to 5 speed settings.
im regaing my stuff on gt5 cuz my ps3 YLOD was lvl 15, I think im 1 of few kids who plays GT who has 2 disorders 1 is ADHD , and other to long to spell yet im still a good racer but a bad speller Big Grin lvl 20 now and proud of it. .

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Posted 10/28/2011 3:55 AM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
polo23489, you are so right, the UI was so much better in GT4 B-spec.
You could get him to change speed whenever you want, there are no limits on radio usage in motorsport, what you asked him to do was simple, pick a speed 1-5, no painful managing of a driver psyche who has no place in motorsport; who gets bored winning a race? I don't know any F1 drivers who have to be reminded every 30 seconds to go fast.
We also had overtake and pit on seperate button, you could tell your driver to go faster and overtake at the same time, not to mention how easily switching between diffeent cars used to be, just push up or down on D-pad to cycle through.
You could also get the delta times between cars at all splits, not just the end of the lap.
And 3x speed, how I miss it.
At least they gave the drivers human capabilities, in terms of stength limitation and actually reacting to cars around them, the AI actually sit wide when someone dives up the inside, when being lapped they get offline, good improvements, but lost in all the stuff they ruined, simpler was better. B-spec is not as terrible at overtaking, but now more than ever car choice dictates success, unless the race is long enough that you can use the AI speed drop off to your advantage.
Sorry for just reminding everyone what is in GT4, but it makes you realise how much you miss it in GT5, as the super complex methods of GT5 barely add to the experience at all.
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Posted 10/28/2011 8:50 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
Those are astute observations, Stigs. I am reminded of my work as I read your post. I'm always being asked (here too) to add "new features" to software. Typically the request is the idea of one person among thousands of users. That one person my find value in its implementation, however the majority of users may ever even know it exists. And if they do, they don't use it or are off put because of the ever increasing complexity of the UI.

Case in point here - Draghon asked for the "Tranny Trick" flag to be added to the Setup Form. I did some research and found that quite a few users were typing "tranny trick" in their setup notes. It made sense to add that as a property of the setup as so many people were doing it in a de facto manner to begin with. This is the exception to the rule, but just an example of how perhaps PD could've researched their ideas with B-spec UI, or maybe trialed them with users, before implementing them in GT5.

For all I know, that's what they did. It's hard to believe in general though, as I saw innumerable complaints over at GTPlanet on the general UI of GT5. I don't know if anyone remembers, but navigation was very inconsistent at first. Some screens, pressing O would exit that screen. On others, it would return you to the Home button at bottom left, then requiring you to press X to go to the parent screen. On others, pressing O did nothing but elicit a "beep", which is a psychological negative reinforcer for humans. Some games get this kind of thing right out of the gate, but GT5 is not one of those. I'm glad they have made things more consistent through patches, but come on! I don't see how PD can have such immaculate attention to detail in the areas of car modeling, and just screw the pooch when it comes to basic navigation.

I'll be the first to admit that the UI here is not awesome. I'm just one person, and doing this for free though. PD is many, many people, and they produce the top grossing game series Sony has ever seen. The UI here is based on work I did in 2004, and really needs some updating. Any structural change is very disruptive to users, so you have to get it right or piss a bunch of people off. I have some ideas in the works though. Users find it confusing to click one of the game names in the "Choose a Game" section, and then be returned to the News page. So, I'll be instituting some top level navigation changes that will lend a clear hierarchy to things. Clicking on a game name will take you directly to data pertaining to that game. Perhaps an activity stream of the latest updates for setups or related posts, as well as prominent links to car, race and setup lists. I don't yet have anything solid, but the top navigation bar is likely going to change dramatically.
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Posted 10/28/2011 11:15 AM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
I noticed that the use of the circle "O" button would seemingly randomly take me back to the home screen while other times going back through every menu, but I never realised I could add it to the list of things to complain about when I go on a rant!

Tranny trick option was a great idea, and it shows that 1 man who is working in his spare time can be more effective and logical than an entire production team at PD.
As far as I can tell, there is nothing wrong with GtVault UI, everything you need is available from links at every page, with similar pages grouped. Every single link is self explained, and from day 1 on this website I've rarely if ever been confused.
Thanks for doing a fantastic job with this site, for helping players and tuners from all over the globe and just being an honest and genuine guy.
Thank you Kerr.
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Updated 10/28/2011 12:01 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
I may be more annoyed than most by the inconsistencies when pressing the O button, but that's just an indicator of lack of attention to detail. There are many areas not worth getting into now where PD makes mistakes on car data. It boils down to lack of control and testing. I ranted about 2.0 really being 1.0 awhile back, so that's not worth getting into again. Regardless, I'm going to a friend's house to play Forza 4 tonight (gasp!). I know, I know, but without competition none of these games would be that good to begin with.

I really appreciate the kind words, but make no mistake about our roles. I am basically here to provide a canvas. People like you are the reason GTVault has been around for almost 10 years (next month). I never wanted to, nor will I ever, seek to be everything to everyone in the GT community. I have made deliberate choices to keep the site focused.

That said, I have been considering areas that may be complementary to the posting of setups. Some sites have an "online" component where people organize races. I've never bitten on it, mainly because I feel Sony / PD should provide a public API to hook into the online race lounges. Considering Sony's recent experience with Anonymous, I doubt they're going down that road.

Anyway, the data is all there for creation of a functional online race organization section. Forums will always be substandard places in which to do this, and its not because it's anyone's fault. The problem is the software. Forums are made for one thing: talking. When people are allowed to enter all details for an event (or a setup!!) freehand, you're bound to have issues. Garbage in, garbage out.

I know, Sitgs, you and some others have been conducting GTVault Tuner Challenges. I'm wondering what it would take to make a usable race organization experience. Honestly I've only looked at what's out there for a short time. What I have seen though has not been easily navigable and filterable. Again, it's not the community's fault.

Another area I've thought about is a trading marketplace. People could choose cars and such that they want to trade, and deals could be posted up. I'd have to, at minimum, start looking at capturing paint chips though. Some of those are considered gold in the trading communities. Another no-brainer is to add a garage mechanism to the car lists so that people can keep track of what they have.

These things are being done in various capacities on various sites today. That is the main reason I've chosen not to pursue them. Others have copied what GTVault does, and that's fine. I like to see what others' approach to the same problem may be. Still, I'm not all that into copying things unless it provides a unique value and also fits well with the focus of the site. On the flipside, having a single place to go that provides all of these features is potentially a good thing. Ok, I've rambled enough for now!
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Posted 10/28/2011 5:51 PM Post a reply Quote this post View polo23489's info
just got the update for gt5 all 11 of them lol took 2-3 hours see the new in car view for the basic cars is pich black , can sum 1 plz tell me a good uk france etc... car from 1979 below i think for the 3rd last event in the 1st events ive tried other sites but no good results.
im regaing my stuff on gt5 cuz my ps3 YLOD was lvl 15, I think im 1 of few kids who plays GT who has 2 disorders 1 is ADHD , and other to long to spell yet im still a good racer but a bad speller Big Grin lvl 20 now and proud of it. .

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Posted 10/28/2011 5:51 PM Post a reply Quote this post View polo23489's info
just got the update for gt5 all 11 of them lol took 2-3 hours see the new in car view for the basic cars is pich black , can sum 1 plz tell me a good uk france etc... car from 1979 below i think for the 3rd last event in the 1st events ive tried other sites but no good results.
im regaing my stuff on gt5 cuz my ps3 YLOD was lvl 15, I think im 1 of few kids who plays GT who has 2 disorders 1 is ADHD , and other to long to spell yet im still a good racer but a bad speller Big Grin lvl 20 now and proud of it. .

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Posted 10/28/2011 8:58 PM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
The pre-1980 races are dominated by the Lamborghini Muira, but there are 2 methods you can use:
If you can use American, try the Shelby Cobra, but be carefull in the corners.
If itís Europe only, a tuned Lancia Stratos, or a Stratos Rally car (WITH SKID RECOVERY FORCE) will get the job done, as the Stratos will oversteer at all times. After some careful driving you can get rid of Skid Recovery force, but first time out I recommend it while you learn what the car will let you do.

The main necessity of a 'race organization experience' is a good admin. The main issue we've really had with competitions is switching between challenges, as each time the host or effectively the admin changes person. The other thing is a regular place to hold notices, as each challenge is held on a setup, which has its advantages in allowing us to show regulations on parts, but as a new challenge is made everyone has to be re-directed to it each time. The signature links seemed to work well, but they are often out of date.

For 'race organisation' it think you mean for online GT5 racing, the problem is you'd have to go for a forum style option where anyone can host a race. Needless to say this doesn't work in a Kerr model, so for GT5 online races, it could be a race 'admin' organises a GtVault online race once a month like the tuner challenges, and either make use of the cars provided in online racing or set up rules and regulations like in challenges to allow people to tune their cars prior to the race.

For tuner challenges, initially I thought build a page for dedicated to tuner challenges that has an adjustable setup box like a normal setup... then I realised it'd as be a pain in the backside to invent a whole new page every month for a new challenge, as using 1 dedicated page and then clearing it all every month means we don't keep a history of the challenges that can show us what ideas worked or didn't work well. Maybe a dedicated link to what is the current tuner challenge setup page, which means you would only have to change the link address once a month...

The end point is to say that to incorperate an online race organisation system into GtVault requires a better solution than I can come up with. The key things you'd need to show for an online race are regulations, car restrictions, circuit, day/weather, and room number. The room number is most critical, as occasionally I've been unable to find my friend's room in the mass of online races available, however with the room number we've never had a problem.
That is all I can think of for the moment, hopefully someone else can help solve this.
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Updated 10/28/2011 10:43 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Draghon's info
StigsTibecuadorianco wrote:
Tranny trick option was a great idea


My suggestion but I thank Kerr for taking my idea and making it a reality

Kerr wrote:
I may be more annoyed than most by the inconsistencies when pressing the O button, but that's just an indicator of lack of attention to detail. There are many areas not worth getting into now where PD makes mistakes on car data. It boils down to lack of control and testing. I ranted about 2.0 really being 1.0 awhile back, so that's not worth getting into again. Regardless, I'm going to a friend's house to play Forza 4 tonight (gasp!). I know, I know, but without competition none of these games would be that good to begin with.


2 things here,
1 I'm miffed that Forza is console specific...
2 I noticed that after 2 or 3 of the initial updates the O button changed behavior (for the UK Friends on here "behaviour" lol j/k), but I like it better now then it was back then, however, they need to fix the sound to just the normal "Cancel" sound and not ALSO have the accept sound. also I wish Sony would fix the behavior of the mail box on the PS3 so that when I cancel out of a message it goes back to the in-box and not the list of friends section...
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Posted 10/31/2011 8:46 AM Post a reply Quote this post View polo23489's info
i now race online on lil bros account, if any 1 has spare super cars plz help hope to race every 1
oh i have a new idea if possibal for prem cars maybe a price total for car + upgrades parts cost same for each car i think
im regaing my stuff on gt5 cuz my ps3 YLOD was lvl 15, I think im 1 of few kids who plays GT who has 2 disorders 1 is ADHD , and other to long to spell yet im still a good racer but a bad speller Big Grin lvl 20 now and proud of it. .

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Posted 10/31/2011 4:13 PM Post a reply Quote this post View polo23489's info
got a super car now veyron and new nissan gt-r n24 plus full mod great car best 500k worth yet 800bhp
im regaing my stuff on gt5 cuz my ps3 YLOD was lvl 15, I think im 1 of few kids who plays GT who has 2 disorders 1 is ADHD , and other to long to spell yet im still a good racer but a bad speller Big Grin lvl 20 now and proud of it. .

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Updated 10/31/2011 4:58 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Draghon's info
Just an update, IF you need a GT300 class car go to Wikipedia and search, there is a GT500/GT300 page that lists all the winners of the GT300 Class, I found that the RX7 Arta (or something, it's yellow and I think the 1st race car in the Mazda dealership) is the best power to weight...

I'm thinking when I get my real car fixed so I can go home, from my parents, I might hold a race no one really deals with and that I have been watching on tv lately... The Australian V-8 Supercars Race, only 2 cars are permitted, either the Holden Commodore or the Ford Falcon... The only problem I see is that the Holden is not the Race version like the Ford is, so I don't know if it will be a fair fight...

I might extend the race quals to the Pontiac GTO and whatever the American Ford (Maybe Mustang cause that's the engine in the Falcon) equal is.
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Posted 10/31/2011 6:00 PM Post a reply Quote this post View polo23489's info
what race class (C-CLASS,RALLY,GT300,GT500,K-CLASS etc...) is the nissan GT-R N24
im regaing my stuff on gt5 cuz my ps3 YLOD was lvl 15, I think im 1 of few kids who plays GT who has 2 disorders 1 is ADHD , and other to long to spell yet im still a good racer but a bad speller Big Grin lvl 20 now and proud of it. .

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Updated 11/01/2011 11:12 PM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
The GT-R N24 is officailly ran in SP8T class in the 24 hours.
SP8 is like the old GT2 regulations, and is sligtly below SP9, which is current FIA GT3 regulations.
SP8T is SP8 regulations, but with turbo chargers allowed, meaning SP8 and SP8T are effectively on par, but due to the turbos they can't be classified in the same class.
So essentially it is just below GT3, meaning it is slightly slower than an R8 LMS.
It'll be GT500 or something similar.
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Posted 11/01/2011 9:10 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Draghon's info
correction the gt300 rx7 is in the "RE" new cars, its the yellow one... the lexus 350 is also a good 2nd car to have for gt300... it is the 1st race car in lexus as weds sport is 350
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Posted 11/01/2011 5:49 PM Post a reply Quote this post View polo23489's info
um.. what is it in GT5 in like online (like vintige muscel car) cuz i was on to today i cant remmber seeing any SP8T or SP8. (soz for bad spelling
im regaing my stuff on gt5 cuz my ps3 YLOD was lvl 15, I think im 1 of few kids who plays GT who has 2 disorders 1 is ADHD , and other to long to spell yet im still a good racer but a bad speller Big Grin lvl 20 now and proud of it. .
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