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Logitech G27 & Virtual Racing Chassis
Updated 01/22/2010 2:57 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
For years I've been tired of playing all my racing games with the stock handheld PS3 controller, so I bit the bullet today and ordered a Logitech G27 wheel. I've been on cusp of buying a wheel since the G25 was released, and I'm excited to pick it up after I get off work today.

I also decided to pick up a Virtual Racing Chassis (VRC), though they're on back order and it looks like it might be awhile before I'll receive it. I'll figure out something with the wheel in the meantime!

I know some of you guys use cockpits, a few of which are home made. I contemplated that route, but after doing a lot of research, I decided that it was worth spending my money on the VRC. So to you cockpit / wheel users, what setups are you using? How are you enjoying them, and what kind of improvement did you see in your times after making the move?
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Performance shift and my physical setup.
Updated 01/22/2010 9:24 AM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
Well, straight away you can kiss goodbye 2-4 seconds a lap in GT4, however you can make that difference up pretty quickly, and as a driver of a real car, the jump from controller to Wheel is made all that much easier. It's just adjusting the physics of GT4 in relation to the wheel from Real physics to wheel input/response. I enjoyed the endurance events much more with the wheel, no cramps or aches after the 5 hours of the Fuji 1000km. I figured it'd be a good way to get acquainted. In general the wheel is faster once you get used to it, a couple of tenths, and usually better tire wear and fuel consumption.
My setup is quite funny actually, I have a REALLY low couch, and a simple chair from my kitchen acts as my stand for my wheel, the back of the chair pointing to the right of left depending if the car is (would be) left hand drive or right hand drive, with my legs going UNDER the kitchen chair to the pedals, giving a very good cockpit feel. I have really long legs and it seems to work fine for me. Then its the 3 or 4 metres to my TV, and we have racing simulator!! And it didn't cost me a cent, sort of.
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The best bit? I just slide my legs out, move one bum groove to the right and its a regular TV again.
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Posted 01/22/2010 1:45 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
Yeah I figured wheel turn rate and all that is going to take some getting used to. That's all part of the fun in mastering a new input device. I'm confident that over time I'll see lap times drop due to the simple fact that my inputs can be, say in the case of gas/brake, an order of magnitude more sensitive.
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i took pics of my driving rig...............
Posted 01/23/2010 2:29 PM Post a reply Quote this post View griffinforrest's info
i'm not sure if its possible to post them on here, or how to do it if it is possible? (help Kerr) if anyone is interested in seeing it send me your email and i will send them to you. thanks, griff email is..... griffinforrest at yahoo dot com

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Updated 01/23/2010 4:33 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Speedfreak09's info
I have a Driving Force Pro and I love it! Thumbs Up It's helped me become a better driver in GT, and also shave seconds off my lap times. Just about the only thing that is a negative is that if you do happen to spin out...turning around can take forever beacause of the 900 degree steering wheel rotation. But, that makes it all the more realistic! Thumbs Up As far as where my wheel is well, it's nothing special...I sit in a "mushroom" chair, the wheel clamps on a small table in front of me and the pedals sit below the table. It's simple, but it works! Oh, yeah...how does the clutch pedal work on the G25 and G27 wheels Question?

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900 degrees and Force feedback
Posted 01/23/2010 10:36 PM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
Oh yeah, the 900 degree steering can be a real issue.
Formula 1 car + Hairpin + 900 degrees of steering = ARGH!!! HANDS CAN'T MOVE THAT FAST!!
Its annoying because some race cars don't use 900 degrees of steering, but it gives it to you anyway, and is a real pain...
I've got a Driving Force GT (replacement to the DFP)
I've also found the force feedback can really change how you drive, the wheel requires a slide to be corrected, while the controoler lets you get away with murder. The Force feedback loop at high speeds is a pain in the neck, shoulders and arms... its a real drain on your top speed. Try the 6 km straight at La Sarthe II, its suddenly longer and more fun.
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Maybe they got rid of the force feedback loop on the G27, (I HOPE!!!)
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GTVault voting system...
Posted 01/25/2010 7:22 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Speedfreak09's info
Hi Kerr, it seems like the voting system on GTVault isn't working very well...could you please look into this Question? Thanks!

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Posted 01/25/2010 8:03 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
Speedfreak09 wrote:
Hi Kerr, it seems like the voting system on GTVault isn't working very well...could you please look into this Question? Thanks!


Works fine for me, as I just voted for two of your setups. I need more specific details. What setup(s) did your vote not register on, for instance.
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The voting system
Posted 01/25/2010 8:09 PM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
I think I know whats going on.
The numbers on the statistics page (Tuner info) DOes not actually update until the servers refresh the data available. For instance, speedfreak09 is reported to have only 1 vote, however when I click on the votes to see what they are, there are 3 logged (2 of which Kerr). I've seen this happen a lot, and I've got 1 un-counted vote at the moment, but I know it'll update to 35 by the time I come back online. It's like the edit post issue that sometimes happens.
Hope I helped,
StigsTC
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Posted 01/25/2010 8:13 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
To update everyone on my early experiences with the G27, it's definitely a lot of fun! The force feedback is pretty sweet. I played GT5 Demo for awhile with the tuned Z and was spinning out right and left, but I finally managed to get the hang of the throttle.

I've played Need For Speed: Shift quite a bit with the wheel as well, and it has some nice features that I hope make it into GT5 proper. For example, I can change, in 10 degree increments, the lock-to-lock rotation of the wheel anywhere between 360-900 degrees. I can also fine tune dead spots on steering and all pedals, as well as the strength of the force feedback in general.

After about six hours of play, I'm just now getting my lap times to where they were playing on my DS2 controller. I will say that, even from the outset, wide arcing turns are much easier with the G27.
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Posted 01/25/2010 8:40 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
StigsTibecuadorianco wrote:
I think I know whats going on.
The numbers on the statistics page (Tuner info) DOes not actually update until the servers refresh the data available. For instance, speedfreak09 is reported to have only 1 vote, however when I click on the votes to see what they are, there are 3 logged (2 of which Kerr). I've seen this happen a lot, and I've got 1 un-counted vote at the moment, but I know it'll update to 35 by the time I come back online. It's like the edit post issue that sometimes happens.
Hope I helped,
StigsTC
Okay, I understand the issue now. It's due to page caching. I cache user and setup pages to keep the site snappy, and the user page cache wasn't being cleared when voting occurred. I've fixed it so that the cache gets cleaned out when a vote is placed.

The post edit issue is a bit more nefarious, and I haven't been able to determine a good fix for that.

@Speedfreak09 - I placed some votes using both my account and a test account, but have since removed them so that your vote counts are accurate.
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Posted 01/25/2010 9:33 PM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
AAAHHH, that suddenly makes a lot of sense... I'm not that great with the technical side of computers, but I do understand the caching. Thanks for the explination!!
StigsTC
Now you should start to improve your times!!
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Posted 01/26/2010 7:11 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Speedfreak09's info
Thanks Kerr, what Stigs was talking about was excalctlly what was happening. Thanks for the votes by the way! Thumbs Up

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G25 and a homemade stand............
Posted 01/29/2010 9:56 PM Post a reply Quote this post View BTWhite37's info
I've been sot happy with my G25 and my homemede racing stand......... Slides right up to my living room easy chair. Has made the difference for the last couple years :0) Congrats on your setup Kerr!!!


Racing stand / cockpit for G25 and/or Driving Force Pro
Post #21 - Posted 07/19/2007 8:09 PM

I have photos available for a inexpensive, simple to build stand for your Driving Force Pro wheel/pedal combination. I have about two hours designing and measuring, three hours building it, and an into it for about $14.00 (us) in materials. I used a base of 20" x 30" x 3/4" plywood. The rest is made of 1/2" pressboard, (MDF). I was able to build it with less than a full 2' x 4' sheet. I used 1 1/4" black drywall screws and countersunk each hole. Slanted top and pedal ramp add greatly to a more natural driving position. I have hand drawn plans available upon request.

Email if your interested in the photos at BTWhite37 at Hotmail dot com
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Posted 02/01/2010 9:26 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
Thanks Brian, I remember now that you'd built your own racing stand. Sounds like it's still working well for you, that's cool!

Sadly, my VRC unit still hasn't shipped. Frown
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Thinking of trying one ( this keyboard is too small)
Posted 02/04/2010 10:47 AM Post a reply Quote this post View DjWess's info
How much will a full set cost?
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Posted 02/04/2010 11:42 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
DjWess wrote:
How much will a full set cost?


What do you mean by "full set"?
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Posted 02/06/2010 1:29 AM Post a reply Quote this post View MasterGT's info
Kerr: the G27's paddle shifters won't work with Prologue, so you will have to use some other method of shifting with this sim.

Have fun with your stand and wheel. I have Rennsport folding stand and it does its job well.
Cheers,

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Posted 02/06/2010 2:29 AM Post a reply Quote this post View DjWess's info
Kerr wrote:
DjWess wrote:
How much will a full set cost?


What do you mean by "full set"?

steering wheel, bucket seat, pedals,etc.
Have fun while you race others. If you don't why are you racing in the first place?
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Posted 02/06/2010 6:36 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
Depends entirely on the equipment. In my case, around $650 US.
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My Racing Station with G27
Updated 04/22/2010 12:30 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Metalsmith's info
Here is a link to my self-designed and built Racing Station with my new G27 installed. As GT5P does not support the paddle shifters yet, I also have a new DFGT that I currently am using. The G27 sits safely in it's box while I wait for GT5 full to drop. I have used the G27 with GT4 and it works brilliantly. It is considerably more precise than the DFGT, although the DFGT is no slouch. I spent about $45 on the steel to build the Racing Station, and $75 for the 1991 Camry XLE passenger seat that was in immaculate condition. The thing that I love about the seat is that it has infinite adjustability with a turn knob for adjusting the seatback. I can play for hours with very little fatigue and alot of comfort. Here is a link to the photos.



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