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Google Chrome FTW!
Posted 12/29/2009 12:41 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
I've been using Firefox since it was a wee 1.x product. It has served me well, but in the past couple of years I've noticed that under heavy load (15+ tabs / 20+ extensions active), it really bogs down and memory consumption becomes an issue. I understand that some of this is due to my usage patterns and poorly written extensions, but I'm not the only one complaining about it. Sure, there are a lot of advanced tweaks to help remedy the situation, though I have come to really appreciate software that you don't have to tweak on a continual basis.

I develop websites for a living, so it's in my best interest to keep up on browsers. I have a MacBook Pro and use Safari from time to time. It's a solid browser, but I don't find myself going back to it habitually. Same with Opera; it's cool, but I didn't see a major need to change my go-to browser.

That said, I've been using Google Chrome since the first preview releases came out. Central to the things I like about Chrome are its sandbox architecture, spawning a new child process for each tab in play. As a result, Chrome does a really good job of keeping a tab gone awry from hijacking the entire browser. On top of that, my experience is that JavaScript heavy (e.g. Web 2.0) sites, say Remember The Milk, perform noticeably faster in Chrome.

I live for the myriad extensions available from 3rd party developers in Firefox. One thing I didn't like about Chrome early on was its lack of extensibility in this regard. This, however, has been remedied in more recent builds of Chrome. I'm excited to finally see the Chrome extension community is really taking hold. Almost all the major extensions that I consider absolutely crucial are now available for Chrome.

Checking my stats, 49% of gtvault.com users prefer using Firefox, to only 39% using Internet Explorer. I can't say how happy I am that GTVault users are ahead of the worldwide alternative browser adoption curve. Chrome comes in at 5%, and for being such a young browser, that's pretty promising, although that's considerably behind the worldwide trend of 8% (which our Firefox usage partially makes up for!). I still have Firefox open and use it all the time, as the breadth and depth of its extension community is without compare. Regardless, I find myself using Chrome more and more for daily surfing.

So, who out there is using Chrome? If so, do you like it? If not, you should really give it a try!
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havent tried chrome yet but, on on sidenote........
Posted 12/29/2009 1:47 PM Post a reply Quote this post View griffinforrest's info
a couple of additions to the vault that i was thinkin of......a wheel/pedal setup option. so users know -tuned for wheel-/-tuned for controller. well this is just me but also a asm and tcs is against my religion section. lol just thoughts, peace griff

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Posted 12/29/2009 1:51 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
That's something I thought about back when I did the GT4 upgrade. At the time, wheels weren't as pervasive, but now a lot more people are using them. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Posted 12/29/2009 4:54 PM Post a reply Quote this post View MarkusXO's info
Okay yeah an to the topic.. I would suggest.. if you like Chrome.. not to use it but rather go with SRWare Iron version 4 Beta.. ( new release or update today as a matter of fact.. It is basically the same thing as Chrome but without the usage reporting Google Updater which is constantly polling out of your system.. and some other changes.. ( which are all notated at http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php

I can use the same themes and have tried several extensions.. though I don't really find any f them as useful as FF's long list as of yet.. ( which is still my staple of choice.. and probably always will be as regard to its extensibility and usability.. I like something I change any way I choose.. )

I having similar interest in browsers.. particularly the BIG four right now.. have them all installed.. Safari, IE8, FireFox, Opera, and Iron.. I have a small CSS tweak done for ad-blocking on Safari, I use IE7Pro extension for IE8..have 28 total installed extensions for FF..Nothing extra with Opera 10.10 Unite.. and I have been using the Matte Black skin from Deviantart.com for Chrome on Iron.. I have a few optimizations and have used DeepXW's TCP/IP Patcher to change the Half Open Limit.. to 1000..and OpenDNS... I get great performance from them all to be honest.. Chrome/Iron.. seems to be best for simple browsing.. Download management needs to be addressed..a few changes but in its simplicity is really a great browser.. but is 'JUST A BROWSER'.. Safari, with its latest update has become a little snappier and has brought back its speed from version three for my particular configuration... Still like Safari and I think it was a great idea for Apple to bring it on over to the Windows Platform as well.. Opera.. still feel indifferent about.. it can do almost everything.. However it just doesn't keep up... but I mean they all are about the same speed when you consider the issues that come about with cache timeouts and DNS lookups in the wild..so to speak..and funny thing about the whole things is that FF can do all that too.. Of course I do have mods and changes I have integrated on my own.. including customized UI and several network changes... I think Mozilla has a great outlook and is moving forward.. they have no failed to deliver since version 1 of the browser.. so I wait for 4.. and the next version to bring us into HTML5... IE8.. with the extension the browser is great.. upgrade from 7.. blew me out of my chair.. believe it or not.. when it came to speed.. and efficiency.. however it still could use few changes here and there.. but will always be there..

As far as writing code, ( what little I do for them.. ) I love to write for Firefox.. hate trying to get things to behave for Opera..IE can be just as bad sometimes.. without Acid Test compliance simple code reacts differently.. and we only have so many options to adjust for which can render undesired results.. the only other option is writing it in another language.. and adding many lines of code or even writing complete pages differently.. ( aggravating ) Safari and Webkit based browsers are not that bad.. I mean at least if you have something wrong you know it because the whole page is jacked or won't show.. ..

As far as testing Javascript and so on.. I haven't run any tests that would really qualify as an exacting measurement but I will say that I would expect more from Opera on this note.. alot more as a matter of fact...

Even wit its slower startup.. I still believe FF beats them out and I can outrun them all with the changes I have made.. which may not be the best settings for everyones else..But I mean I can take your site apart and put it back together again with FF.. total control over every area.. as detailed as you want to get.. I recommend FF and its extensions for people who know what they are doing and have advanced skills.. Just browsing..doing the simple.. I recommend Iron.. IE for the people who only trust Microsoft..( and for site that say that nothing else will work )...Safari for people jacked into Apple and have the hardwares ( iPods.. i-machines all over..LOL ) and Opera for the downloader who loves to be social..

All of them can be good.. IMO.. if you know what your doing and how to do it..as far as a Browser war is concerned.. they can keep it between the parent companies.. to keep them competitive and on the move.. I think the choice comes down to personal choice and how you use it... FF will cover it all.. you can even turn it into another application..but I dunno jut how I see it.. Oh yeah and I recommend all of them for people who write code for user-accessibility checks.. and compatibility.. Smirk

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Posted 12/29/2009 5:29 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
Good points, MarkusXO, though 99% of the people reading this won't care about the details. Smile

To distill it, I agree with you regarding security concerns with Chrome, especially the unique ID Google assigns upon installation. That said, an offshoot like SRWare Iron would have to gain considerable traction before I consider seriously using it. Sounds like a lot of work and possibly hackery to keep things going long term. How long will it survive as a product I wonder?

Doesn't everyone use OpenDNS?

IE8 is the first browser from M$ I even consider somewhat acceptable to develop for. Mozilla/Webkit are very consistent in their rendering of HTML/CSS (even CSS3). Yep, Opera is quirky, but not nearly so much as IE has been, and especially in the JS arena. jQuery helps out a lot with code issues, but performance and benchmarking is an entirely different story.

Firefox comes from a better place in terms of their mission, agreed there. The resource consumption issues that I mention are, in my view, a side effect of that.

It will be nice when browsers support HTML5/CSS3 en masse, but even then you know things won't be pretty whilst attempting to accommodate all top tier browsers.
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Posted 12/30/2009 12:24 AM Post a reply Quote this post View ekmon1582's info
I don't use it now, because I switched to Ubuntu. But I used it as my browser when I still used windows and it was the best browser I'd ever used. Fast, simple, and easy to use. Sometime I'll be installing it on Ubuntu and using it instead of firefox.

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Posted 12/30/2009 11:47 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
I haven't used Ubuntu in quite awhile. Are the newer builds pretty easy to navigate for the "typical" user?
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Posted 12/30/2009 2:10 PM Post a reply Quote this post View ekmon1582's info
Very easy, especially for the typical user.

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Posted 12/30/2009 3:23 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
That's cool, I may load it up and check it out in VMWare.
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Posted 12/31/2009 4:48 AM Post a reply Quote this post View MarkusXO's info
Which one do you like best VMWare or VirtualBox?

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Posted 12/31/2009 11:25 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
I haven't used VirtualBox personally, so I unfortunately can't say.
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Posted 12/31/2009 1:05 PM Post a reply Quote this post View ekmon1582's info
MarkusXO wrote:
Which one do you like best VMWare or VirtualBox?


I prefer VMWare. VirtualBox works nice, but is a lot more complicated compared to VMWare.

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Posted 12/31/2009 5:37 PM Post a reply Quote this post View cobrajet911's info
Thanks Kerr, really like this Chrome. And just reading about the other things you guys are discussing I am looking at those too.Not only GT4 but other tech info too, WOW what a site!
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Posted 12/31/2009 6:20 PM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
No problem, man!
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Another Year
Posted 01/01/2010 4:34 AM Post a reply Quote this post View DjWess's info
Kerr wrote:
No problem, man!

you rule man, happy new year
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Posted 01/01/2010 6:08 AM Post a reply Quote this post View StigsTibecuadorianco's info
Happy New Year guys!
Once again Kerr, brilliant job. You've taken a site dedicated to a game, and turned it into a community full of great people. You are the best. Thanks for the fun times!
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Posted 01/01/2010 9:56 AM Post a reply Quote this post View Kerr's info
Thanks, Stigs, though GTVault is but a canvas... the people who spend their time here are what make it a great community. It's always been a pretty small one at that, but that's one of the things I've enjoyed. There aren't too many websites that survive this long. Many people don't know this, but the big dog, GTPlanet, is a lot younger than GTVault. When I first built GTVault in 2001, granturismo.com was the place to go for Gran Turismo addicts. Sadly, it died the same death as many hobby type sites. I still lament granturismo.com passing on, but GTPlanet has done a great job in picking up that torch.
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